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Poster: ianu Date: May 21, 2010 10:08pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Please remove

You are talking nonsense Moongleam. There is a lot more to checking Copyright status of a film than looking for a copyright renewal notice. The Copyright notice on the film "Accomplice" does not include the name of the copyright holder as the law requires. The copyright notice is thus invalid and the Film has been Public Domain since it was first shown. The renewal notice is thus meaningless.....a quite common occurence.

Please dont ask for removal of a film unless you have done a full search.

There are some copyright films which are orphans. That means that there is nobody looking to enforce copyright on the film and it is effectively PD. That is why you should leave it for the copyright holder to issue a takedown notice.

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Poster: Moongleam Date: May 21, 2010 10:58pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Please remove

I just checked the opening credits. "Copyright MCMXLVI" appears without the name of the copyright holder. You are right on that point.

The film was uploaded by me, so I didn't have to issue a takedown notice; I had already removed the video files. I just wanted to get rid of the useless web page.

When I find the time, I may upload it again. However, the reviewer who gave the film only 1 star was about right in my opinion. It's very dull.

The author of the novel upon which the film was based is capable of pretty good writing; I've enjoyed several of Gruber's Johnny Fletcher novels.

Speaking of which, does anybody out there have a copy of the only film based on a Johnny Fletcher novel: "The French Key"? If it lacks a proper copyright notice, please upload it. I can't find it for sale anywhere.

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Poster: HektorT Date: May 22, 2010 7:44am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Please remove

Just a comment regarding the practice of checking to see if a film contains a valid notice, that is widely advocated in this forum. The 1978 copyright law added several exceptions to the notice requirement that allowed films published without a valid notice be be excused:

- Works published after 1978 without a notice had five years to include a valid notice, in which case the copyright would hold.

- The law states that the copyright notice must have been on the film when it was published. But it also states that if the copyright was absent on a small number of films, OR if a party who was under contractualy obligation to include the notice, failed to do so, the film is not automatically public domain.

Additionally, unless you have digitized the film yourself from an original print, there is little chance that you will know what was on the original print. There are many cases where a film that was published without a valid notice was reissued later with a valid notice, presumably to discourage its diffusion into the Public Domain, although that film is in fact Public Domain. Sometimes doing so could actually have some legal basis, for example the film has been revised, by adding a new soundtrack or new material (e.g. outtakes from the original that were never published) in order to create a copyrightable derivative product. So you may find a print that has a valid notice and is in fact under copyright, whereas the original is Public Domain. In this case the only difference would be a few scenes or some music. But in those specific cases, the copyright registration would need to specify what was changed.

IMHO deciding that a film is PD based on lack of copyright notice without having seen at least one original print, is the most difficult way to determine wheter or not a film is actually PD. IN the book "The Public Domain", by Attorney Stephen Fishman, he says,

"People often place copyright notices on public domain works they copy and/or resell to the public...the penalties for placing a notice on a public domain work are very small."

Also, re: Orphan works, which are works where the copyright holder cannot be found, to ask for permission to publish the work. This is a hot topic in copyright law, primarily due to the google book digitization project. But it has not been decided whether or not orphan works can be used without penalty. And the proposed legislation would require that the user pay some small fee (determined by the orphan works law) in the event that the copyright holder showed up at some point in the future. I'm all for orphan works. At least such works could actually start to make money if they pass such a law.

This post was modified by HektorT on 2010-05-22 14:44:53